There is no need to invoke a more complex being to explain the universe if you don't need one to explain god.
It saves you from committing a special pleading fallacy. So it makes more logical sense to not invoke a god.
The 'god' explanation is simply appealing to mystery. People can't explain the universe so they invent a god they also can't explain.
It's really the height of intellectual laziness.
Also, 'a natural phenomenon we don't yet understand' is the ***only*** hypothesis that's ever come true.
Gods were thought to be responsible for thunder, lightning, solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, tides, earthquakes, volcanoes.... the list goes on and on.
You know how many times the god hypothesis was shown to be correct?
Zero. Not once. Not ever.
You know how many times 'a natural phenomenon we don't yet understand' has been correct?
Every single time. Every mystery ever solved has turned out to be *NOT god*. Every. Single. Time.
So we sit here now, perhaps not fully understanding how the universe came to be in this state.
And despite a 100% record of failure for 'God did it' and a 100% success rate for 'natural phenomenon'...
...Theists suggest god as an explanation and somehow still expect us to take them seriously.
There's literally a huge problem in the reasoning for this entire thing, and that would be General Revelation. If you took a walk in the woods and found a smart phone lying on the floor
ReplyDelete*you've never seen a phone before*
would you look around you and say," wow, look what just appeared from thin air, look at what the trees made!" You would be taken for a fool. Anyone in their right mind can look at a phone and know that someone had to make something so complex. Psalm 19:1-4 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them, he has set a tent for the sun." By simply looking at the woods you're walking in, you can see that everything functions in such a manner that it had to be made by someone or something with intellect.
You asked or rather stated that "People can't explain the universe so they invent a god they also can't explain. It's really the height of intellectual laziness." So I'll ask, or rather tell you that, "You are too prideful and stubborn to submit to the very one who made you so you deny him his glory and proceeded to say the universe made itself in one large explosion. This is the true height of intellectual laziness
Your response fits into my argument perfectly. You can't explain the universe, so you imagine (and maybe you're convinced) a god did it. Can you provide proof or even compelling evidence for that? No. Your argument? "But the universe is complex...of course god must have made it". Weak. As for your smart phone analogy, it's very poor because we know a smart phone is not an object that appears without human intervention.
DeleteUniverses on the other hand...we don't know.
What you seem to fail to understand is 'We don't know' does NOT equal 'so therefore God did it'.
Instead of providing actual evidence, you quote from a book about that origin of the universe, written by people who didn't even know galaxies existed. They didn't even know Australia existed.
You're talking about a book written by people who lived in societies that thought burying corpses of dead children in the foundations of buildings to bring them luck. Hardly what you'd call an authority on getting things right!
So please, if you have an argument that is more than 'I don't understand, therefore god' I'm all ears, but this you've written here....it just reinforces what I already wrote.
You posit an explanation that has only ever failed and you expect me to take you seriously? Please.
You seem to know, or think you know, the bible well. You claim to believe that their is no God but you seem to hate one in particular. Yahweh. You are more then just an atheist, your an anti-theist. Don't mind me for asking but what was it that caused you to hate God so much.
ReplyDeleteI don't hate god at all. Given I don't think any gods or goddesses are real, how can I possibly hate them? For me to hate a god, I'd have to think it was real. Given I'm an atheist, it's a logical impossibility for me to hate any gods or goddesses.
DeleteSure the story of Yahweh gets a lot of my attention. But I live in a country whose religious followers are majority followers of the Yahweh character. Yahweh is the current god that more people imagine is real. And the second most believed in god on earth today is a variation of Yahweh. So you seem to confuse "the god whose believers I most commonly come into contact with" with "I hate god". But now that I've explained this to you, you needn't make this mistake again :)
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ReplyDeleteI'm interested to know if you've ever been in a religion.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you do not hate God (because you don't acknowledge his existence) then what's the point of your entire blog.
ReplyDeleteAbsurdity of Atheism
ReplyDeleteIf abiogenesis (spontaneous creation without specific design) can be admitted under such conditions of regularity, then purposeful generation and definitely balanced creation can be the result of error ad perplexity, since these two are opposed to abiogenesis.
Such a statement is highly absurd that order and rectitude should come about without a Creator, and disorder and impropriety of design and fate should suppose a Creator. He is an ignoramus who says this, because anything produced without design will never be exact and proportioned, while disorder and contrariness cannot co-exist with orderly design. Allah (swt) is far above what the heretics say.
http://www.al-shia.org/html/eng/page.php?id=1640&page=6
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